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A fact from Blown for Good appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 December 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know
- ... that the book Blown for Good describes the author's experiences practicing the Scientology technique auditing with actor Tom Cruise?
A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/December.

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Drew and Mike, WRIF, [1]. Cirt (talk) 14:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for improvement

The lead paragraph is way too long. A lot of the information is repeated in the body of the article below (in some places word for word), so it could be pared down to the basic details: a sentence about what the book is about, one or two more about the author & his background, & one or two about the critical reaction. Basically one half to one third of its present length would be a great improvement. -- llywrch (talk) 16:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Trimmed a significant amount out of the lede. [2]. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 16:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sea Org

Actually it is generally regarded as a paramilitary group, per secondary sources such as books, news, and academic. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 19:11, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Only one of your scholar examples call sea org paramilitry and only 2% of google news results mentioning sea org call it that.©Geni 19:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That does not mean it is not generally regarded as such, or that it is not an appropriate characterization. Cirt (talk) 19:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The books are at 1.2% and most of them are talking about the days when sea org was actualy at sea. Modern sea org does not resemble any current paramilitry group or organisation. Our sea org article does not contain the term.©Geni 19:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly disagree. The current Sea Org article is not a valid comparison as it is a wiki article and is in poor quality. The modern Sea Org does resemble a paramilitary group. Cirt (talk) 19:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So why does only 1.2% of articles at google scholar call it that? Which existing paramilitry organisation do you think sea org resemble (and no the mafia is not a paramilitry organisation)?©Geni 19:24, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dawson, Lorne L. (2006). Comprehending Cults: The Sociology of New Religious Movements. Oxford University Press, USA. p. 38. ISBN 0195420098. Members of the paramilitary Sea Org sign billion-year contracts of absolute loyalty and service to the highest leadership of the Church of Scientology -- and that is even from a source that is seen as sympathetic to cults/new religious movements. That book was published in 2006. Cirt (talk) 19:25, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If there are multiple reliable sources describing it specifically as a paramilitary group (which clearly there are), then it's legitimate to call is as such in the article. The recent academic textbook cited by Cirt would seem to be a top-quality source. It's irrelevant what Cirt thinks: it's what the sources say. MartinPoulter (talk) 19:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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